User talk:CHiNback

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I made a new notice for you to put at the bottom of your user page...
— Belgrave, Moderator / Sysop  Talk  Message PM 

EDIT POLICE

Go ahead... make all of those small edits to a single wiki page. I know the server and the hardware can handle the load, but you will definately know it irks me when I mention on your talk page how you're clogging the recent changes page! Take my advice... plan out what you wish to add to your page and do it all in one big worthwhile edit. Also, USE THE 'PREVIEW' BUTTON and make sure you have it perfect before you save. Don't give me a reason to get all 'bad cop' on you!

w00t

...waiting for you to write a "Best Equipment for Level 166" guide...

Boo

Place Boo-ish comments here.

thank you for your message. there are only two things for me to say about it: first i have read that copy notice some weeks ago (at belgraves profile page) and second: i can't see any reason why i should not take any fee for my service...if somebody don't want it, they just don't have to ask me... i only don't want to see my hole page copied or most of its content and read in next line that person offers his/her help with creating wiki pages...it's just that i can't believe those persons really can create wiki pages without copying everything. PumaDiAce

pumadice, by entering your page onto the wiki, you allow it to be copied. i don't think there is anything wrong at all with you offering to make someones page for a fee, a lot of users don't know how to edit the wiki and that's probably a good service. but as for people just copying your page completely... well, that's allowed.ZidaneT 17:17, 28 April 2008 (BST)

i know thats allowed but i don't want others to copy my hole page and tell then it's their own work...

and to CHiNback's message: i don't use my posts to get money and fsp are no money. i understand the words noncommercial and don't use posts to make money as making real money. everything in my posts is related to the game and has no relation to real money. furthermore it's free to everybody to decide wether they want me to help them or not... PumaDiAce

"i know thats allowed but i don't want others to copy my hole page and tell then it's their own work..."... there isn't anything you can do to stop it. once you post on here, it can be edited, copied, mangled, eaten by minors, set on fire, cause the destruction of the earth and all life on it, used to end wars and cure all disease, etc. ZidaneT 14:39, 2 May 2008 (BST)

I am trying to think of a good compromise here... Charging for your services to make someone a user page is fine, but trying to restrict the use of the code goes against the copyright license used by this wiki so technically we cannot enforce non-usage of our code. It was primarily the threats to remove posts using your code that led me to post the notice at the bottom of my user page.

However, I think it may be possible that we, as a group and as some of the primary contributers to the wiki, take a stand against copying someone's code without permission or without giving attribution to that user for their original contribution. This would require us to decide on a list of rules/requirements that would apply to everyone in the group, and a template we can post at the bottom of our user pages to let everyone else know about the standards to which we hold ourselves. A thorough listing of what adhering users can and cannot do would be posted on the template page.

Therefore, I suggest the following:

• Users will not copy another's code without permission or giving attribution.
• Users will not use another's code and claim it as their own (excepting major layout changes, css?, and very basic code arrangements).
• Users are free but not obligated to charge for the service of creating another's user page.
• Restrictions would apply to non-game information pages only (users/players & guilds). Pages for items, creatures, etc, should be freely copyable to maintain a bit of uniformity for game related information.

So there you have it... my suggestion about how we can deal with the concerns we all have concerning our user pages and the effort we put into making them. I think this is a good idea and with some discussion, would be worth attempting.
— Belgrave, Moderator / Sysop  Talk  Message PM 

whilst it sounds like a good idea, it will inevitably end in edit wars and, to be frank, childish "he stole my bold tags" arguments. the whole idea of the license is that it completely avoids this. everyone knows that anything you put on the wiki can be copied, even if that person claims it is their own work, and there is nothing you can do about it. it's the only way to ensure such arguments don't occur, a simple unilateral ruling that anything may be copied. as for attribution, the same occurs, sure, it's nice to reference the original author, but it's not required, and if you don't, nothing will happen.
to have the rules you propose, sooner or later you need to set a line in the sand, which means you have to define *exactly* what constitutes "copied code", and how is that accomplished? does putting your text in grey count as copying chinback's page, for example, what about using those shiny progress bars he has, what if i put them in a different order, or with different colours.... the possibilities are endless. by using the current license of "it can be copied, if you don't like it, don't post", you immedeately avoid all the quagmire of deciding exactly what is and is not copying. ZidaneT 03:55, 5 May 2008 (BST)