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== New Look ==

Uh, I don't know how it looks on other browsers but it looks awfull on mine. Things don't line up. I believe we just cannot rely on dots for alignment, it would be a nightmare to have it work properply for everyone (different fonts and browsers). The origin tab also take quite a lot of horizontal space. 

-[[User:Phoxtrot|Phoxtrot]] 10:00, 14 June 2008 (BST)
:<span style="color:#060">What browser are you using? It looks fine in IE and Firefox.</span><br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}

I'm currently using Opera but it doesn't look fine on my explorer either. At least not with the font size I'm using just now.
Whatever the browser, relying on '.' to line up is a no go : any control+wheel up/down on my mouse and the font size change and the alignment goes berserk.

-[[User:Phoxtrot|Phoxtrot]] 16:34, 14 June 2008 (BST)
:<span style="color:#060">That's strange. I just tried IE, Firefox, and Opera and the only time I had any trouble was control+wheel-up in Firefox when it increased the font size faster than it increased the size of the table holding the stats. Everything else automatically adjusted properly for me. I guess the next question is what OS are you using and what is your system's default monospace font?</span>

:<span style="color:#060">On a side note, whatever happened with your ticket asking HCS to install [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions Extension:ParserFunctions]?</span><br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}

Well, no answer on the parser extension. I'm using WinXp (32bits) on a 1920*1200 resolution (With such a resolution, default size fonts is a big no... ). Using the whell to change fonts size, there is only one font size where things line up on my resolution (4 steps smaller than the font size I'm using).

-[[User:Phoxtrot|Phoxtrot]] 18:24, 14 June 2008 (BST)
:<span style="color:#060">lol, with that kind of resolution, no wonder it looks messed up! I recommend you play around with the code in the page a little and see if you can come up with a solution. At the moment, I have it so it all fits in the same width as a window just wide enough to fit the game without a scrollbar across the bottom since I don't like having my browser maximized (I'm using 1280x800 on a laptop).</span>

:<span style="color:#060">I think the problem is I hard-coded the table width where I put the stats to make sure it fit on my screen without looking wrong. At the moment, it is set at 375px so if on your screen it leaves it that width but increases the font size, it would look bad.</span>

:<span style="color:#060">I'll put in my own ticket about Extension:ParserFunctions. I played around with it and made a working template for the item pages.</span><br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}



::<span style="color:#060;font-size:15pt;">How does it look now?</span><br><br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}

<span style="color:#888">NO!  It doesn't look appealing...too much space between each one.</span><br>{{User:CHiNback/Sig}}
:<span style="color:#060">In which way? Between the two columns or between the individual stats? So far this was actually the only way I could get it to scale properly. I guess I'll try putting each column into a div or something.
<span style="color:#888">Between each stat, there's too much space, and plus, there's a box around it...imagine a set with a huge list of stats...</span><br>{{User:CHiNback/Sig}}
:<span style="color:#060">How about this? It makes the code hard to read though.</span>

{{Needs Improved}}
{| cellspacing="10" cellpadding="0"
| valign="top" | 
== Origin ==
<center>http://66.7.192.165/creatures/208.jpg<br>[[Thundror the Frost Giant (Legendary)|Thundror the Frost Giant<br>(Legendary)]]</center><br><small>Thundror the Frost Giant is one of the servants of the evil shadow lord Zolfan and is often sent to civilised lands to wreak havoc upon the nations of his enemies. Thundror feels no pain and shares his masters hatred for his enemies.</small>
| valign="top" |
== Items ==
<center>
{{Inventory3
|amulet-url=http://66.7.192.165/items/2880.gif
|amulet-page=Reborn Frost Amulet
|weapon-url=http://66.7.192.165/items/2878.gif
|weapon-page=Reborn Frost Axe
|armor-url=http://66.7.192.165/items/2879.gif
|armor-page=Reborn Frost Armor
|shield-url=http://66.7.192.165/items/2875.gif
|shield-page=Reborn Frost Shield
|ring-url=http://66.7.192.165/items/2877.gif
|ring-page=Reborn Frost Ring
|rune-url=http://66.7.192.165/items/2876.gif
|rune-page=Reborn Frost Rune
}}
</center><small>
* '''[[:Category:Armor|Armor]]:''' [[Reborn Frost Armor]]
* '''[[:Category:Weapons|Weapon]]:''' [[Reborn Frost Axe]]
* '''[[:Category:Shields|Shield]]:''' [[Reborn Frost Shield]]
* '''[[:Category:Rings|Ring]]:''' [[Reborn Frost Ring]]
* '''[[:Category:Amulets|Amulet]]:''' [[Reborn Frost Amulet]]
* '''[[:Category:Runes|Rune]]:''' [[Reborn Frost Rune]]
</small>
| valign="top" | 
== Stats ==
<center><span style="font-size:8.5pt">'''Min. Level:''' 100</span></center>
{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"
| width="50%" valign="top" |<center>
=== Set Only ===
<small><tt>
 &bull; '''[[Attack]]'''............25<br>&bull; '''[[Armor]]'''.............40<br>&bull; '''[[Damage]]'''............65<br>&bull; '''[[Piercing Strike]]'''...20<br>&bull; '''[[Reinforced Armor]]'''..20<br>&bull; '''[[Thievery]]'''..........10<br>&bull; '''[[Critical Hit]]'''......40<br>&bull; '''[[Protection]]'''........15<br>&bull; '''[[Master Thief]]'''......50<br>&bull; '''[[Disarm]]'''............75<br>&bull; '''[[Master Blacksmith]]'''.20<br>&bull; '''[[Elite Hunter]]'''.....100<br>&bull; '''[[Sustain]]'''...........30<br>
</tt></small></center>
| width="50%" valign="top" |<center>
=== Set + Items ===
<small><tt>
 &bull; '''[[Attack]]'''............<br>&bull; '''[[Defense]]'''...........<br>&bull; '''[[Armor]]'''.............<br>&bull; '''[[HP]]'''................<br>&bull; '''[[Damage]]'''............<br>&bull; '''[[Stamina]]'''...........<br>&bull; '''[[Gold Gain]]'''.........<br>&bull; '''[[XP Gain]]'''...........<br>&bull; '''[[Piercing Strike]]'''...<br>&bull; '''[[Reinforced Armor]]'''..<br>&bull; '''[[Thievery]]'''..........<br>&bull; '''[[Critical Hit]]'''......<br>&bull; '''[[Holy]]'''..............<br>&bull; '''[[Breaker]]'''...........<br>&bull; '''[[Nullify]]'''...........<br>&bull; '''[[Banishment]]'''........<br>&bull; '''[[Protection]]'''........<br>&bull; '''[[Oceanic]]'''...........<br>&bull; '''[[Master Thief]]'''......<br>&bull; '''[[Protect Gold]]'''......<br>&bull; '''[[Dodge]]'''.............<br>&bull; '''[[Disarm]]'''............<br>&bull; '''[[Master Blacksmith]]'''.<br>&bull; '''[[Elite Hunter]]'''......<br>&bull; '''[[Sustain]]'''...........<br>&bull; '''[[Master Crafter]]'''....<br>&bull; '''[[Fury Caster]]'''.......<br>&bull; '''[[Greenskin Slayer]]'''..<br>&bull; '''[[Beast Slayer]]'''......<br>&bull; '''[[Duelist]]'''...........<br>&bull; '''[[Glory Seeker]]'''......<br>&bull; '''[[First Strike]]'''......<br>&bull; '''[[Hypnotize]]'''.........<br>
</tt></small></center>
|}
|}

:Personally I think everything looks too small. It needs to be one or two font sizes bigger. Other than that it looks cool. Also, what is [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions Extension:ParserFunctions]? I looked at the page and nothing made sense to me. {{User:Greggacam/Sig}}

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This looks ok whatever font size I use. I believe however that the ''old'' look is better. Adding some info about the mob(s) (sometimes there *are* 2 mobs) that drop the set items  is good but that could be achieved by other means like simply putting it below. The current setup has the disadvabtage of making it difficult to split the data multiple pages. Let's face it, the ''set'' pages are pages that mix up different kind of information: information on mob, information on items, information on set bonuses. I believe we should keep the data as separate as we can an simply import (think '''embed''') it into the set pages. Embedding data (as opposed to copy/paste) makes maintenance easier (though it does make initial entry a bit more lenghty). I don't want to impose myself on this, I'm not the most active guy on the wiki, but it would be for the best to keep similar pages, well, similar...

-Hoping my English is understandable, [[User:Phoxtrot|Phoxtrot]] 22:25, 14 June 2008 (BST)
:<span style="color:#060">Your English is fine and I'm glad it finally works. As for the font, it does look a little squished in IE and Opera but looks fine in Firefox. I'll play around with taking out the small tags and putting various font sizes in span tags around it but I don't know how much more I can do with it.</span>

:<span style="color:#060">The reason I put the "Origin" section was to show that the sets are usually related to a part of the fallensword backstory. For example, the [[Galdwing Set]] is dropped by [[Elgrad the Charged (Elite)]], whose description claims is one of the Shadow Lords greatest leaders. Still, there are a few such as the [[Nomad Set]] and [[Lost Power Set]] that are obtained through quests.</span>

:<span style="color:#060">I've thought about embedding and have seen the embedding you have done. However, I have decided against doing it. The two ways I can see doing it would either need extremely planned out and require massive input to the wiki with lots of includeonly tags on most of the pages or would leave the information so fragmented that everything would end up being pages of other embedded pages. Embedding may make things easier at first, but I think in the long run it would make maintenance a nightmare!</span>

:<span style="color:#060">Greggacam, ParserFunctions is an extension which would allow us to make templates that do calculations, select between variables based on user input, and several other things. It basically adds another layer of functionality to templates that we do not have right now. As I said above, I did submit a ticket asking for this today. Hoof has already responded too! He says he'll either give us ParserFunctions or another extension he wrote that can parse from the database. He just has to test them and decide which he thinks would be best for us. Hmmm, maybe I should try persuading him to give us both...</span><br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}

::ParserFunctions would be great, I can't think of something specific that we could do with it but I have thought about whether you could do calculations or not. We'll see what it does. <br>{{User:Greggacam/Sig}}