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Know of any good Hell Forge calculating sites we could link to from the items pages similar to how we're linking the items to the auction house?
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I'm also thinking of moving the lengthy tables of items and their stats off the item category pages so the categories don't take as long to load and you don't have to scroll all the way to the bottom but it would still allow sorting stats on a separate page. Any suggestions for this?<br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}
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=== Span Tags ===
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<div style="border:10px dotted #985028;background-color:#5c8727"><font color="#000000">Span tags are <span style="background-color:#0f0">very similar</span> to div tags in their use, except they can be <span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#066">applied</span> to a specific portion of the text <span style="border:1px solid #000;font-size:12pt">instead of</span> a complete paragraph, page section, etc. As far as I can tell, their primary function is for the application of CSS. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">I have sprinkled span tags</span> liberally throughout this paragraph to demonstrate their use as well as a div tag around the entire section.<br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}</font></div>
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<nowiki><div style="border:10px dotted #985028;background-color:#5c8727"><font color="#000000">Span tags are <span style="background-color:#0f0">very similar</span> to div tags in their use, except they can be <span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#066">applied</span> to a specific portion of the text <span style="border:1px solid #000;font-size:12pt">instead of</span> a complete paragraph, page section, etc. As far as I can tell, their primary function is for the application of CSS. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">I have sprinkled span tags</span> liberally throughout this paragraph to demonstrate their use as well as a div tag around the entire section.<br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}</font></div></nowiki>
  
I don't think that hellforge calculator was updated to take into account the latest hellforge changes, but it might be usable to an extent. That idea might have to be put on hold until someone else makes a decently usable one.
 
  
I was thinking it might be best to have all of that specific type of item on the page, mostly so people can compare stats, but also because there are a few items which are clearly the best of that type of item for more than 50-60 levels such as the [[Rune of Decay]]. It would definitely be a long page, but if sorted by every 10 levels the way it is now, it should be usable. Would we want other related pages such as "Helmet Images"? If so, I think we would do something similar to the item category navigation template but for that specific item type...<br>Item Category &bull; Sortable Item List &bull; Item Images &bull; Etc.
 
  
Also, I was working with the creature images and I think about 15 images per page (3 across, 5 down) would work best. The problem is that the numbers only work to 546 and then they need that long number/letter combo filename and I'm not sure how exactly to go about finding all of those and putting them into easily organized pages. Any suggestions with that?<br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}
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=== Copying User Pages ===
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::<span style="color:#060">I am trying to think of a good compromise here... Charging for your services to make someone a user page is fine, but trying to restrict the use of the code goes against the copyright license  used by this wiki so technically we cannot enforce non-usage of our code. It was primarily the threats to remove posts using your code that led me to post the notice at the bottom of my user page.</span>
  
I'll work on getting those creature images. That site does show the best available items by stats, but it only goes up to lvl 300 and will not be updated anymore. So, I'll put together something for the helmets page and we can see how that works out.<br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}
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::<span style="color:#060">However, I think it may be possible that we, as a group and as some of the primary contributers to the wiki, take a stand against copying someone's code without permission or without giving attribution to that user for their original contribution. This would require us to decide on a list of rules/requirements that would apply to everyone in the group, and a template we can post at the bottom of our user pages to let everyone else know about the standards to which we hold ourselves. A thorough listing of what adhering users can and cannot do would be posted on the template page.</span>
  
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::<span style="color:#060">Therefore, I suggest the following:</span>
...waiting for you to write a "[[Best Equipment for Level 166]]" guide...
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::* <span style="color:#060">''Users will not copy another's code without permission or giving attribution.''</span>
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::* <span style="color:#060">''Users will not use another's code and claim it as their own (excepting major layout changes, css?, and very basic code arrangements).''</span>
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::* <span style="color:#060">''Users are free but not obligated to charge for the service of creating another's user page.''</span>
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::* <span style="color:#060">''Restrictions would apply to non-game information pages only (users/players & guilds). Pages for items, creatures, etc, should be freely copyable to maintain a bit of uniformity for game related information.''</span>
  
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::<span style="color:#060">So there you have it... my suggestion about how we can deal with the concerns we all have concerning our user pages and the effort we put into making them. I think this is a good idea and with some discussion, would be worth attempting.</span><br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}
  
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== Level X Content ==
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<span style="color:#060">Do we really want to include the Legendaries and Super Elites on these pages? So far haven't included them since they aren't readily available, nor would someone of that level necessarily be capable of killing them easily. Also, is there anything else we could add to those pages? Should we include links to currently non-existent pages where others could suggest various level specific setups? I'm also thinking about making a template that would include links to all the Level X Content pages although it might be good to break that up a bit.</span><br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}
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:<span style="color:#888">Alright, I guess we should take it out.  Um, I don't see any other way than to list them in numerical order.  However, I realize that 10 comes before 2, which makes it kinda weird, so is there any way to fix that up?</span><br>{{User:CHiNback/Sig}}
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::<span style="color:#060">I'm not sure what you're talking about at the end there, but when I make the template to link to all the Level X Content pages, I'll have it in correct numerical value. The category, however, will have it with 10 before 2.</span><br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}
  
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== Copied Inventory Section ==
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This is to let you know I copied the code for your Inventory section.  I liked the way it was.  I like some of the stuff you had on your page but did not copy the page code because it was just a few items.  <br>{{User:DavidAHare/Sig}}
  
see, now you changed it and it's even weirder, lol.
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== Test Page ==
  
I will delete the copied parts.
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The preview button is good, but it on works on the page/section you are working on and not on the whole page section you are trying to build.  By making my test page I can see how it will look on the whole page and also leave and come back to it at a later time and work on it. Then once I have it all worked out I can actually stick it in the main profile. I also will work on something and then when I can't get it right I will leave it alone and go work on something else and with this page I can do that more effiently I hope. I tried taking your Game Equipment Section code where you have them side by side and combine it with how I have each inventory section by itself and it did not work to goodI also tried to spit the code for the Skils/Buffs into 3 sections since I got the warning that the page was getting to long and might not work in some browsers and since I wanted to add another column of information it would make it easier to have smaller sections to work on at a time. I also am in the process of working on a Template to add certain information to my profile for the members of the Guild I am in.  I hope this will explain why I made that page/section.<br><br>{{User:DavidAHare/Sig}} 17:07, 27 August 2008 (BST)
If you need help making something the same way I have it, just ASK.
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  I WILL NOT DELETE COPIES BECAUSE:
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"i will delete", "i wont delete".  not to be nitpicky or anything, but that just makes no sense, and as you said beneath, you're effectively putting the page into the public domain on a cc license, which allows copying.  i wouldnt want to see things like this popping up on everyones page, it will just start mass edit wars and "waaa, you stole my layout" comments, since you are a very good contributor, if you do it, people will think it's ok.
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personally, i'd just remove the threat, besides breaking the cc license you post under, it makes no sense.
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not sure how to reply to your comment, but i saw your edit, now it reads much better :)  btw, what creature images are you stuck for, if you just need a dump of all the creature images, i can get a hold of it.   i also have a dump of all the map tiles and a big database of each map i've been working on for a bot for the irc server.  if it can help at all, gimme a shout. [[User:ZidaneT|ZidaneT]] 16:00, 27 April 2008 (BST)
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:I was actually the one asking about creature images. So far I've put in all the properly numbered images but any since around xmas have been using things like 10588a88bc9ef8dab82 for their file names and I don't know of a good way to catalog those. I also have a page showing the map tilesets ready to put on here, but at the moment it's not my priority. Maps on the area pages are always welcome if properly edited with wikicode. Oh CHiNback, he's right, it does read much better now... Perhaps we should start a 'Free Wiki Code Initiative' or something. {{User:Belgrave/Sig}}
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::a curious question arises....  i suspect with a little work i can have the maps automatically created, parsing my database and outputting correct wiki code.   i assume there is no problem with such maps being uploaded? unfortunately i am in the middle of writing the irc bot to interface with the game atm, so if it happens at all, it wont be right away.  too many good ideas, not enough time ;).  oh, and i'll take a look at the creature names/image names.  that filename looks awfully like a hash key, and if it is, it makes sense that they would use the crature name/id.  in the end though, i suspect we will have to just do it the hard way, by hand.  -- [[User:ZidaneT|ZidaneT]] 17:17, 28 April 2008 (BST)
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thank you for your message. there are only two things for me to say about it: first i have read that copy notice some weeks ago (at belgraves profile page) and second: i can't see any reason why i should not take any fee for my service...if somebody don't want it, they just don't have to ask me...
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i only don't want to see my hole page copied or most of its content and read in next line that person offers his/her help with creating wiki pages...it's just that i can't believe those persons really can create wiki pages without copying everything.
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:pumadice, by entering your page onto the wiki, you allow it to be copied.  i don't think there is anything wrong at all with you offering to make someones page for a fee, a lot of users don't know how to edit the wiki and that's probably a good service.  but as for people just copying your page completely...  well, that's allowed.[[User:ZidaneT|ZidaneT]] 17:17, 28 April 2008 (BST)
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Latest revision as of 16:07, 27 August 2008

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Span Tags

Span tags are very similar to div tags in their use, except they can be applied to a specific portion of the text instead of a complete paragraph, page section, etc. As far as I can tell, their primary function is for the application of CSS. I have sprinkled span tags liberally throughout this paragraph to demonstrate their use as well as a div tag around the entire section.
 Belgrave, Moderator / Sysop  Talk  Message PM 

<div style="border:10px dotted #985028;background-color:#5c8727"><font color="#000000">Span tags are <span style="background-color:#0f0">very similar</span> to div tags in their use, except they can be <span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#066">applied</span> to a specific portion of the text <span style="border:1px solid #000;font-size:12pt">instead of</span> a complete paragraph, page section, etc. As far as I can tell, their primary function is for the application of CSS. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">I have sprinkled span tags</span> liberally throughout this paragraph to demonstrate their use as well as a div tag around the entire section.<br>{{User:Belgrave/Sig}}</font></div>


Copying User Pages

I am trying to think of a good compromise here... Charging for your services to make someone a user page is fine, but trying to restrict the use of the code goes against the copyright license used by this wiki so technically we cannot enforce non-usage of our code. It was primarily the threats to remove posts using your code that led me to post the notice at the bottom of my user page.
However, I think it may be possible that we, as a group and as some of the primary contributers to the wiki, take a stand against copying someone's code without permission or without giving attribution to that user for their original contribution. This would require us to decide on a list of rules/requirements that would apply to everyone in the group, and a template we can post at the bottom of our user pages to let everyone else know about the standards to which we hold ourselves. A thorough listing of what adhering users can and cannot do would be posted on the template page.
Therefore, I suggest the following:
  • Users will not copy another's code without permission or giving attribution.
  • Users will not use another's code and claim it as their own (excepting major layout changes, css?, and very basic code arrangements).
  • Users are free but not obligated to charge for the service of creating another's user page.
  • Restrictions would apply to non-game information pages only (users/players & guilds). Pages for items, creatures, etc, should be freely copyable to maintain a bit of uniformity for game related information.
So there you have it... my suggestion about how we can deal with the concerns we all have concerning our user pages and the effort we put into making them. I think this is a good idea and with some discussion, would be worth attempting.
 Belgrave, Moderator / Sysop  Talk  Message PM 

Level X Content

Do we really want to include the Legendaries and Super Elites on these pages? So far haven't included them since they aren't readily available, nor would someone of that level necessarily be capable of killing them easily. Also, is there anything else we could add to those pages? Should we include links to currently non-existent pages where others could suggest various level specific setups? I'm also thinking about making a template that would include links to all the Level X Content pages although it might be good to break that up a bit.
 Belgrave, Moderator / Sysop  Talk  Message PM 

Alright, I guess we should take it out. Um, I don't see any other way than to list them in numerical order. However, I realize that 10 comes before 2, which makes it kinda weird, so is there any way to fix that up?
                 CHiNback - [ Talk - Message - PM ]
I'm not sure what you're talking about at the end there, but when I make the template to link to all the Level X Content pages, I'll have it in correct numerical value. The category, however, will have it with 10 before 2.
 Belgrave, Moderator / Sysop  Talk  Message PM 

Copied Inventory Section

This is to let you know I copied the code for your Inventory section. I liked the way it was. I like some of the stuff you had on your page but did not copy the page code because it was just a few items.
   DavidAHare,Talk Message PM

Test Page

The preview button is good, but it on works on the page/section you are working on and not on the whole page section you are trying to build. By making my test page I can see how it will look on the whole page and also leave and come back to it at a later time and work on it. Then once I have it all worked out I can actually stick it in the main profile. I also will work on something and then when I can't get it right I will leave it alone and go work on something else and with this page I can do that more effiently I hope. I tried taking your Game Equipment Section code where you have them side by side and combine it with how I have each inventory section by itself and it did not work to good. I also tried to spit the code for the Skils/Buffs into 3 sections since I got the warning that the page was getting to long and might not work in some browsers and since I wanted to add another column of information it would make it easier to have smaller sections to work on at a time. I also am in the process of working on a Template to add certain information to my profile for the members of the Guild I am in. I hope this will explain why I made that page/section.

   DavidAHare,Talk Message PM 17:07, 27 August 2008 (BST)